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  • http://twitter.com/danlockton Dan Lockton

    I like these a lot Ferg – a very clear way indeed of explaining the different models. I guess it would be interesting to think about what the diagrams look like when there is miscommunication as well, i.e. one party thinks there's collaboration going on, but it's actually co-option, etc.

    You've probably seen it too but if not you might find this other article by Hugh Dubberly et al (from ACM Interactions) useful – http://www.dubberly.com/wp-content/uploads/2009... – it has a different way of illustrating the types of feedback loops, etc. Partly based on Kenneth Boulding's work – http://iscepublishing.com/ECO/ECO_other/Issue_6... (page 7 of the PDF onwards)

  • http://www.fergusbisset.com/blog Ferg

    Thanks Dan!
    That's an awesome idea will definitely experiment with that…

    Thanks for those links, will check them out! Yeah, these may well be building blocks of a bigger diagram eventually. In putting them together I've already realised there needs to be a third 'action' level, so in other words “What's Discussed”, “What Method is Chosen” and then “What's Actually Done” that would integrate it as a model with a lot of the wider systems stuff that we know and love, not least Activity Theory which has already been well cited in Service Design literature (Sangiorgi – http://www.northumbria.ac.uk/static/5007/despdf... and Morelli – http://nicomorelli.wordpress.com/ etc.)

    Will have a play with your suggestion for visualising Participatory problems though – awesome idea – really appreciate the feedback.

  • http://www.fergusbisset.com/blog Ferg

    Serendipitously – The Collaboration Imperative (via @wimrampen)

    http://blogs.harvardbusiness.org/hbr/nayar/2009...

  • ninaksimon

    Fergus,
    Thank you so much for sharing so many great resources as well as your diagrams. As you may know, I'm working on a book about participation in cultural institutions and this is great food for thought.

    One comment on your drawings: I tend to focus on design processes very much from an institutional perspective, rather than giving institutions and participants/co-designers motivations' equal weight. This is a deficiency, but a necessary one in that I am working with museums and need to help them find participatory projects for which they can see a real institutional benefit or mission fit. I suspect the same is true for the majority of product designers, who are always evaluating how co-design helps them deliver a product (their mission). Therefore, I think it's interesting that you give A and B equal size/weight in the diagrams above. In few cases are these equal partners, and while you express that somewhat in terms of what is internalized and what is shared, I think it needs to be clear that in many of the early diagrams B is a driving force/beneficiary whose goals supercede those of A to some extent.

    I look forward to exploring your blog further!

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  • http://www.fergusbisset.com/blog Ferg

    Nina, Thank you for your kind words and feedback on the post – I have found your insight hugely valuable in injecting some real world pragmatism and experience into my perhaps idealistic models of participatory behaviour. :-)

    What you said has been rattling around in my head for the past day and certainly resonates with my own experience of working with museums and cultural institutions i.e. that the institution maintains and always seeks to assert its didactic, aesthetic or intellectual superiority on the user, because ultimately that is its business, in the industrial era sense of the word. If it failed to do so effectively people might not return, or so it thinks…

    I began writing a response which has turned into a full blown blog post, so thank you for inspiring that and I look forward to hearing your thoughts as well as the continued development of your book-which looks brilliant :-)

    Thank you,
    Ferg

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